Composting bad for the environment?
Last post 10-03-2009 9:24 PM by Digger. 32 replies.
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25/01/2007 06:13 PM
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- Digger
- Northern UK
- 18 Jul 2005
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Well who's read the latest issue of the garden???page 74 the first article below the wildlife one re composting if not done properly creates methane which is 20 times more damaging to the environment??? than c02 what do people believe? this is just the type of thing that conflicts with what we have been told previously, i am so hacked off with conflicting advice from all corners in last months gardeners world Monty Don was warning us of the serious dangers of deep digging which could help to create greenhouse gases , I wonder with so many "learned" people giving us wildly conflicting opinions and advice what the real story is I am so fed up with this nonsense and bullcr**!
digger 
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25/01/2007 07:00 PM
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- sue1002
- Ipswich, Suffolk
- 06 Sep 2005
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Just had a look at the article digger, it says the methane is produced when the compost bins are not aerated, so provided we all turn the contents in our compost bins regularly then we should be ok.
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25/01/2007 09:10 PM
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- Digger
- Northern UK
- 18 Jul 2005
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I know loads of people who just chuck stuff in the bin and leave it, we are being overwhelmed with information much of it is contradictory and it really winds me up what about Monty saying that digging the soil allows oxygen to penetrate and create c02? this is why the public in general is apathetic towards the green "lobby" because we are told all manner of things and no longer know who to believe
digger
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25/01/2007 09:53 PM
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- Phot's-Moll
- The sunny South coast.
- 06 Jan 2007
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If we didn't compost stuff and just left it in rotting heaps - or sent it to landfill then I think the gases would still be created - at least composting creates a useful product.
I agree that conflicting advice is confusing and annoying.
Whether you think you can do a thing, or think you cannot, you are right.
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25/01/2007 10:14 PM
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- Digger
- Northern UK
- 18 Jul 2005
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Isn't it damned annoying, i have read that some local authorities are now thinking about charging people extra for having compostible waste taken away! we have green bins given to us by the blasted council asking us to put green waste in them so that they can recyle it and sell it for £2 a bag, the nerve of these people now they say they are collecting too much green waste, the question is do the want the blasted green waste or not? they are idiots who come up with these ideas, we now have five different bin trucks around on bin day one for grey waste bin, one for glass and tins then one for paper then believe it or not a different oneplastic bottles and the last one for compost, how much extra fuel they burn doing this is ridiculous it must have a negative effect on the amount of exhaust gases created. I am so fed up with these so called experts telling us half truths and ill researched crackpot theories. The polar ice caps have melted before that was established a while ago so the planet has coped with it,maybe if we stopped building on flood plains things won't be so bad the politics of all this green nonsense is doing my head in,we are told to make compost and we are told that it could be releasing a gas 20 times more potent than c02, which is it? should we recycle or not. in fact i am sure that the whole caboodle is more to do with politicians lining their pockets and peddling lies than concern for the planet, the yanks are gradually going to switch to ethanol to run their vehicles but i bet if we get the chance to use it here it will be taxed as much as petrol even tho it will only cost a hapenny to produce a barrel
digger
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26/01/2007 11:54 AM
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- sue1002
- Ipswich, Suffolk
- 06 Sep 2005
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This one has certainly got to you digger hasn't it? Different parts of the country must be working different with the bin collections. We only have 3 bins, brown one for garden waste, blue one for everything that is recyclable with the exception of glass, and a black one for everything else. When our blue bins are emptied they are taken to warehouses where all the stuff is separated into plastics, tins, paper and cardboard etc which then go on to be recycled elsewhere. But did you know that not all the stuff that is collected for recycling is used in this country? With OH being a lorry driver, he quite often has to pick up containers of waste paper and plastics which are then shipped out to China, apparently it is cheaper to ship it out there to be recycled than it is to do it in our own country. Also there are thousands of empty containers sitting at the docks taking up valuable space as it is also cheaper for the containers to be made in China than it is to ship them out there empty.
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26/01/2007 01:51 PM
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- Digger
- Northern UK
- 18 Jul 2005
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I was told about this only a week ago, we have 1 grey bin for domestic waste we have green wheelkie bins for compostible waste green bin for glass and tin and bags for plastic bottles, it is lunacy to ship it all half way round the world it must make greenhouse gases doing it.Where we are we are now paying extra because the fleet of bin wagons has been doubled! now they are talking about charging us extra to take compostible waste? do they want us to recycle it or not?in the garden mention is now made about peat being re classified as a renewable product rather than a fossil fuel,all this has got to me sue1002, i hate being deceived by third rate amateur politicians who have minimum knowledge of the subject and mediocre qualifications they think we should swallow every piece of spin they give us the yanks are going to switch to ethanol why can't we? because too much money is involved the politicians don't give a monkeys about the environment every argument they present is soon discounted they are just after raising lots of money to P**S in on another war with the Arabs,as you have said sue1002 Blair isn't setting an example for the nation is he
digger
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26/01/2007 09:24 PM
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- sue1002
- Ipswich, Suffolk
- 06 Sep 2005
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[b]Posted by:[/b] digger , i hate being deceived by third rate amateur politicians who have minimum knowledge of the subject and mediocre qualifications they think we should swallow every piece of spin they give us ,as you have said sue1002 Blair isn't setting an example for the nation is he
I quite agree with you there digger, they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot, and with what we've seen yesterday and today regarding the prison situation with judges blaming government for tying their hands, so to speak, I doubt they could even organise a good pee up in a brewery.
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26/01/2007 11:43 PM
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- Digger
- Northern UK
- 18 Jul 2005
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Well said sue1002, perhaps we should atrt our own political party? we could be called "the garden party" :-)
digger
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27/01/2007 08:13 PM
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- sue1002
- Ipswich, Suffolk
- 06 Sep 2005
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Do you mean a garden party with drinks digger? sounds like a good idea! Seriously though I wouldn't want to be held responsible for things that people don't agree to. My opinion is that the country is in so much of a mess that I very much doubt anyone could sort out properly, I would be of as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
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28/01/2007 04:46 PM
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- Phot's-Moll
- The sunny South coast.
- 06 Jan 2007
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Where I live we would have to pay £2 a (small) bag to have garden waste taken away - although it's free to take it to the tip ourselves. (I compost all mine) We have recycling bins - but can't put glass in them.
I think it's too complicated. Most people aren't sure what goes into which bin - and each council area varies.
Whether you think you can do a thing, or think you cannot, you are right.
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28/01/2007 05:08 PM
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- Digger
- Northern UK
- 18 Jul 2005
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We have to separate all our waste tin cans etc have to have the labels taken off as do jars and they go in together for searating later all the paper has to go in one bag including all the jar/can labels,cardboard has to go in another separate box green waste for compost goes into green wheelie bins and the grey bin is for non recyclable waste here they are talking about weighing each bin and billing people accordingly! we are now apparently making too much compostible waste which is what we were told we must do and the council want to cahrge us for taking it. if any of the wrong waste goes in the wrong bin they bin men leave it unemptied at the side of the road.The council are two faced hipocrites trying to cash in on the green bandwagon,lots of lies and half truths have been told to the public we are being misled by amateur policy makers uneducated baboon like politicians and downright idiots at the town hall, in short we are all being forced to swallow a rotten egg spawned from a demented goose!
digger
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29/01/2007 11:37 AM
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- sue1002
- Ipswich, Suffolk
- 06 Sep 2005
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How much more money do they want to squeeze out of us!? We already pay far too much in council tax and by sorting the stuff out ourselves we are doing half their job for them, we should be discounted instead of being asked to pay more. It was featured in our local news some time last year where some bins had had chips attached to the bins to trial a new system where you were charged by the weight and a lot of people took the chips off, I can see if this was permanently introduced it would encourage more fly-tipping because people are not going to pay any extra for their waste to be taken away.
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29/01/2007 12:24 PM
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- bubbles
- essex
- 15 Jan 2007
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When we first moved here we were given bags (along with our recycling boxes) to put plastics in and were told to put these out at the same time as our normal rubbish collection. I duly did this but after seeing the bin men put the bags straight in with the normal household rubbish I did wonder whether to bother.
Aside from that our council is refusing to go to refuse collections every two weeks at the moment. They face losing grants and subsidies for refusing to apparently. Thankfully I am very close to a good recycling centre.
In Belgium you take your green waste to the centre (according to a friend) and you stand there and collect compost from the other side :) FREE I might add. You put in, you take out.
Alex
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29/01/2007 02:07 PM
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- Digger
- Northern UK
- 18 Jul 2005
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We used to have bin men every week here but now it's every fortnight, putting the recycle rubbish in the same truck as waste is ridiculous surely? The Belgian idea sounds good on the surface but when you take that municipal compost you have no idea what is in it and neither does anyone else especially the people who are giving it out and anyone who tells you different is deluded or a liar! I put stuff in my green wheelie bin for compost which is stuff that i don't want in my own compost ie: perennial weeds that have been treated with sodium chlorate or paraquat insecticides etc.. and i know that loads of other people do the same so when our council try to sell us the compost back for £2 a bag not much is sold i have made it my mission in this area to tell everyone about the massive and dangerous game of roulette they are playing if they engage in purchasing this potentially lethal cocktail of god knows what.
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