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Last post 17-09-2009 2:24 PM by spade monkey. 3 replies.

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  • 10/09/2009 05:19 PM
    • freezers83
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    • 17 Apr 2009
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    hi

    I am thinking of building an irrigation system i have the chance to aquire some large ex mango pulp containers

    i have a shed with guttering at the top of a sloping allotment i was going to link the barrells in series have one outlet and a valve to isolate the barrels from a network of soaker hoses which would each have an isolating valve  feeding my four rotatonal beds does anyone have any ideas on this do you think it will work or have you any thoughts on this ?

    I may have to have a low voltage pump a car battery and a solar panel to top up th battery no power on the allotment

    Kr freezers83

  • 12/09/2009 12:43 PM
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    Hi there,

    That sounds like a great idea.

    Are you thinking about a solar panel and pump because the slope on your allotment is not enough for a gravity feed?

    We took a brief look at some solar ideas (for a laptop), so if you're looking at using that for power, I'd guess that might be the area to be tricky if you are not familiar with it - getting the right type of storage and capacity to deal with the load seems to be the thing, but if all you need is a timer and low power pump, it doesn't sound like you need too much ooompphh for it (although I'd guess that the longer the run of pipe, the more friction might effect flow and the power needed to push the water through the pipe?) Maybe the pump and panel could be located closer to the beds so that that it is pulling water from the main line and just pushing it a short distance to the beds? I can't see any reason why the pump would need to be at the top end.

     

    ...Makes me want to go out and try making one now!

     

    I was warned away from car batteries because they are not designed for that type of use / duty cycle.

     

    What is a mango pulp container? I've no idea what they are but it sounds like we should have some!

    Smile 

     

    I played a little with a vertical growing system using narrow gauge pipe and and hooked it up to a manual pressure pump, but you'd be needing something much bigger than that for the main feed and then narrower branches maybe? I don't know much about it, but it's one of those things I find immensely appealing because it should target water usage.

     

    Have you got a diagram or any pics showing your plot/shed etc?

  • 17/09/2009 01:02 PM
    • freezers83
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    Dear Spade monkey

    Thank you for your thoughts on my project

    Though I have a reasonable drop say approx 1.in 60 I thought it might need some additional pressure as there is the fall  across the length of the plot  and width of the plot to consider.

    I was hoping by creating sufficent head of water by raising the barrels and be able to rely entirely on gravity.using a low tec low carbon solution.

    My original idea was to water the whole plot at once by manually turning on the main stop cock and using the individual stopcocks to balance the flow to each bed.

    Then get out the deckchair and look very smug

    I suspect that I would not have enough pressure to acheive this and would have to water each bed individually.

    Meaning leaving the deckchair at least four times

    You comments sparked a thought, I had not considered using timers. If I use these I could supply one feeder hose at a time and with four timers I could water the beds sequentialIy which would need less head pressure. I have seen clockwork ones in the garden centers though I would need to bring the cost down some how.

    My brother is a production engineer who has had a lot to do with electronics I am hoping he can sort out the solar assit and power storage issues if i need to boost the pressure. Raising the barrels might mean me pumping the water into the top barrel to maintain the required head.( I have just realized that all the barrels would have to be at the same height the bottom one would overflow so there will be no top barrel)

    All I would need then are  probes to measure the dampness of each bed linked to solenoids controlling the timers. Aditionally linked to auto feeding from my liquid manure barrel.

    I think I better cost this before I have to sell the house and move to the allotment .

     As soon as I get out of the ideas stage into the building stage i will let you know .

    Is there anyone who knows what flow rates a soaker hose is rated at? would it be expressed as liters  per miniute ? I suppose I could just attach one to a full barrel and see how long it took to empty It would be usful to have some starting criteria. Kr freezers

    .Ps  Mango pulp barrels are just like a water butt with screw tops about 220ltrs and available from www.dvfuels .co.uk  

  • 17/09/2009 02:24 PM
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    Hi there, a quick search on the subject reveals:

     

    On flow rates:

    "If you are watering flower beds and individual plants, then a leaking or soaker hose is the most water efficient. The water goes straight into the ground where it is needed. A typical leaking pipe uses 1 to 10 litres per metre per hour depending on whether it is 4mm or 12.5 mm diameter. Drippers (trickle feed) are water efficient also, directing water exactly to where water is needed. Fixed rate drippers use 4 litres an hour per dripper. Mini-sprinklers can be directed to specific areas and plants typically vary in range from 1.5 m, 2m and 3m, and use on average 55 litres per sprinkler per hour. For example, a 40 sprinkler kit covering 750 m2 would use @ 2200 litres an hour. A typical spray sprinkler covering 240 m2 may not cost very much (eg £12.99) but is not water efficient, using @ 1000 litres an hour. To water 750 m2 would therefore use @ 3000 litres an hour, nearly a third more than the mini-sprinkler system."



    On soaker hoses and winter:


    "Yes, the hose is designed to be used intermittently, not all the time. And when turned on, the water will slowly bead up, then flow down the sides.

    However, if your area freezes, and you leave the soaker out for the winter, it will gradually get bigger and bigger holes, so all the water will flow out of these holes and nowhere else. At which point you buy another soaker hose. Don't leave them out in the winter.

    If left out in the winter they will last 3-4 years before they become unusable."



    Water Pressure:
    If mains water is used as the source of supply, the tap should only be partially turned on, as very low pressure is needed. If the supply is from a water butt, the head of water should be at least 1.2 metres (4 feet above the level to be watered.


    Water Release
    Water seeps through the porous walls of the hose into the soil. The water will spread about 0.5 metres (20 inches) either side of the pipe dependant on soil-type. On cultivated ground the pipes should be laid about 1 metre apart, but in lawns they should be buried about 15-30 cm (6-12 inches) apart to reduce the risk of striping.

    The length of any single pipe run should not exceed 50 metres (160 feet), or the pressure may be insufficient to allow uniform water release along the length of the pipe.


    Lots to think about - I'd really like to spend some time looking into it and will put it on my 'to do' list.

    Solenoids etc sounds like a full blown control system and I can almost hear the cash registers whirring in anticipation.

     

    "Meaning leaving the deckchair at least four times"

    Steady on - that could be a showstopper.

     

    How about a wireless remote connection by the telly? Or once you've costed it, you might find you could get a government grant for NEET slaves.

     

    Government figures for young people not in employment, education or training mean that they'll be desperate to massage the figures with some statistical slight of hand; which means they should be operating the printing presses to hand out cash to 'investors in people'.

    Although, we might all be in that 'NEET' boat before too long. Can I apply for the role now?

     

    Logistically, that could mean one NAFF Unit (Neet Autohuman Factory Fodder Unit) working on each area, total expenditure 8 watering cans (two for each NAFF Unit) and a much reduced likelihood of needing to leave the deckchair?

     ...and you'd get a shiny 'investor in people' plaque to nail to the shed door.