Fruit and Vegetables

Re: Contaminated Manure

red yead — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:01:01 GMT

hi lloyd ave just read ur message un yeah they do use weedkillers to much in agricultral use but theres more worring fugicides used in preventing fruit n veg from rotting before they are delivered to super stores especialy when it comes from abroad. and can i ask where you got your manure from if it came from a local small farmer you,ve probaly no worries chemicals are very exspensive now so small farms tend not to use many specialy if they only ave lifestock but next time your shoppin look at the fruit n veg un ask your self being a grower yourself how they get them so clean un not a mark on um !!!!!!!!

Re: Contaminated Manure

Lloyd — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:07:45 GMT

Apologies for cross posting, but those following this thread might be interested in the offer from Dow to take away your contaminated manure. http://mygarden.rhs.org.uk/forums/t/24088.aspx

Lloyd

Re: Contaminated Manure

Aging Misery — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:31:37 GMT

Come on Bogey,

Try the odd million (not squillions).

I am sure that you have an overestimation of the importance of our lovely kingdom when it comes to how Dow Chem spends its research Billions - perhaps worth looking at their balance sheet as opposed to the UKs (or the RHS for that matter!)

Re: Contaminated Manure

bogweevil — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:19:40 GMT

The changes are not to its use, but to the way it is used. Assuming of course that the conditions are followed and policed they make sense. As Dow have spent squillions on this product and as continued withdrawal in Britain will make life difficult for them in other markets I would think they would try hard to avoid a repeat - this episode has been disastrous for them and they won't want to make the same mistake twice. Boggy

Re: Contaminated Manure

Aging Misery — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:18:17 GMT

Why do you hate to say that this herbicide has a valid use?

Re: Contaminated Manure

Digger — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:47:34 GMT

If the weedkiller is re introduced, without any changes to it's useage conditions, how can the situation that has occured be prevented from recurring? forunately we don't use the weedkiller anyway ,so it doesn't make any difference to my grazing land.

Re: Contaminated Manure

bogweevil — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:32:35 GMT

I hate to say it but I think the stewardship proposals have considerable merit and a high probablity of success - given the benign environmental nature of aminopyralid compared to other pasture weedkillers, for all but gardeners (being bound to plant material it does not get into animals, milk, meat, groundwater, ditches, rivers etc and is quickly decomposed by soil organisms, only needs to be applid every other year) it may be hard for the authorities to refuse permission for re-instatement. One has to wonder what the market will be though given the need to occassionally conserve forage even on grazing land and the loss of flexibility for agricultural operations.

Boggy

Re: Contaminated Manure

bigsusan55 — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:17:46 GMT

Signed. Hey, we could make a guess at who is who on the signatures. Less than 20 there at the moment.

Re: Contaminated Manure

glallotments — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:58:15 GMT

New epetition at

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/aminopyralidban/

Re: Contaminated Manure

Digger — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:25:47 GMT

Absoloutely, I can't see manure prodcuers wanting to disclose the aminopyralid in their feed or of course in the manure,because no one will touch the manure with a barge pole! the manure can be stored for a while but eventually it will have to be disposed of as waste, this is when the producers will reralise that it's an expensive folly to have the aminopyralid in their muck. All producers are now fully aware of the issue,so if they do use aminpyralid feed I have no sympathy whatsoever for them getting stuck with tonnes of manure,perhaps once a lawsuit rolls in against someone's being negligent to disclose aminopyralid in their manure ,then things will stop, but as you say headfull maybe the market will dictate what happens. From my point of view as a manure producer (not me, my horses) it would display stupidity on a massive scale to allow anything containing aminopyralid anywhere near your stock? I wouldn't use it if it was the last weedkiller on Earth?

Re: Contaminated Manure

headfullofbees — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:34:11 GMT

If notification is absolutely compulsory, failure to divulge being treated as the criminal offence it is, then the market will kill aminopyralid.

Re: Contaminated Manure

glallotments — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:23:07 GMT

The latest ACP recommendation is to reinstate the licence. See http://www.glallotments.btik.com/p_herbicide_latest.ikml for latest information.

Re: Contaminated Manure

Digger — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:16:45 GMT

Even more surprising is their expectation that the chemical should be re introduced as it is with out changes to it's make up, and without regulation about it's use.?

Re: Contaminated Manure

headfullofbees — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:56:10 GMT

Precisely.

I'm surprised that anyone (including Dow) thought that anything else would be the case.

Re: Contaminated Manure

Digger — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:43:55 GMT

Right I'm with you now, the manure that is contaminated will either have to be stored for many years, which is either inconveinient or not possible or as you say disposed of as waste, this will be seriously expensive, I think if the aminopyralid is allowed back onto the market, it would be lunacy and problem will continue. People who have given/sold manure with the poison in it might never be trusted again and will have to pay to dispose of their manure. At the moment, your own manure can be spread on your own land as fertiliser, that is unadulterated manure the dodgy stuff is having to be disposed of, feed suppliers here are now having to guarantee that hay/hayledge is free of herbicides, believe it or not the price of baled hay has dropped! probably because people are seeking out alternatives feeds and suppliers get stuck with old bales they can't shift.