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Wisteria Stains on Clothing

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  • 23/08/2005 09:50 AM
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    Wisteria Growers Beware. The sap stains your clothes. The stains are invisible until after washing. Then they are brown and permanent. It has taken me years to discover the cause. I even replaced a perfectly good washing machine to stop what appeared to be rust marks before I found out the truth in July this year. Now I am trying to get detailed scientific information about the biochemistry involved - so far without success. Can anyone help?

    Ann Harrison
  • 27/08/2005 02:30 PM
    • ken69
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    • 23 Nov 2004
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    I'll bet the RHS advice centre would be VERY interested in this, new to me, tho know about walnut stains.Press the RHS website button on the top of this page and go to Advice. Don't think you need to be a member. Do you want me to ask?

  • 23/10/2005 09:45 PM
    • trisha5
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    Thanx! many times thanx. I am a wisteria grower with mysterious stains on my T shirts which only appeared after washing them. Brilliant, now I know.

    pat burgess
  • 26/10/2005 04:25 PM
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    Dear Pat Burgess, I'm so glad to get your response. I pursued the problem of wisteria stains for several weeks and posted the warning in the hope of alerting the wisteria growing world. You appear to be the whole of that world so far! Email me if you want the scientific explanation I obtained. Ann Harrison

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  • 26/10/2005 04:45 PM
    • Digger
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    Oh what it must be like to have a wisteria alive long enough to prune it, this is but a pipe dream to me i wish i had been able to prune my wisteria the first one i purchased was not seed grown as these take eons to flower it was purchased from a good source and one winter whilst i was helping the children build a snowman the blasted dog pulled up and shredded my wisteria, the next one i purchased died after a valiant struggle. I have considered buying a large specimen but was worried this would meet a similar if more expensive fate . I would greatly appreciate all advice on growing the elusive wisteria to be able to prune a mature wisteria is something that i fear may elude me for the rest of my days(sob). thanks help please.

    digger Devil
  • 26/10/2005 10:47 PM
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    You should console yourself in the sure knowledge that you cannot accumulate a cupboard full of ruined tee shirts spattered with brown marks from the wisteria sap! My problem is the opposite. When they say that wisteria can become rampant they are not joking! I have now declared war and I wield my secateurs almost weekly - wearing my oldest clothes of course!

    Ann Harrison
  • 27/10/2005 08:13 AM
    • Obelix
    • Belgium
    • 24 Nov 2004
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    I can't imagine gardening in clothes I mind getting stained. Mine get covered in mud, pollen, scratches from roses, grass stains.......all sorts, depending on what I'm doing. I always get mucky.

    Obelix - Belgium
  • 27/10/2005 02:36 PM
    • Digger
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    Maybe your wisteria is a hybrid part wisteria part triffid, I have ruined many a shirt in the garden but it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make

    digger Devil
  • 29/10/2005 04:18 PM
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    Dear Obelix, Me too - I look like a down-and-out usually, when gardening. However, before I realised what the sap can do, I might have popped out while cooking Sunday lunch , wearing something respectable, just to snip off a few twiny bits of wisteria so that my visitors could get in through the gate!

    Ann Harrison
  • 29/10/2005 04:22 PM
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    Dear Digger, Part triffid? What a nightmare! I pray that my wisteria will not uproot itself and start walking about! I have enough trouble with it already! I am hoping that the ruthless snipping I have done this year will reduce the growth and produce more flowers.

    Ann Harrison
  • 29/10/2005 04:48 PM
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    Wisteria Sap Stains. Further to previous correspondence, I hoped to get a scientific explanation of this. The RHS Advice service was unable to help but I received the following information from a biochemist at Cambridge University. I have not asked his permission so cannot quote his name - but be assured I appreciate his interest. He says, "I am interested, because I have had exactly the same problem. I, too, have identified Wisteria as the main source of trouble, but in principle I think almost any plant could do it, given the chance. In my case, at least, the stains are the result of the summer pruning of Wisteria, when one has to go burrowing into a mass of leaf and one gets a bit overwhelmed with the long trailers one is cutting off. I have also thought that the sticky nectar exuded by the flowers of Abutilon might have a similar effect, but I am not so certain about this. I have assumed (in principle I am reasonably confident I am correct) that the stains are caused by the oxidation of polyphenols in the Wisteria sap. Polyphenols occur almost universally in higher plants, but there is a great variety in terms of chemical type and distribution, and in some plants the oxidation occurs much more readily than in others. In principle the oxidative browning is what you observe when cutting many plant tissues, apples for example. In the washing machine the warm water, probably alkaline from the soap powder, would encourage oxidation, and the oxidized products are likely to be much more difficult to remove than the original polyphenols because the molecules join together during oxidation.

    Ann Harrison
  • 27/11/2005 04:47 PM
    • Lorac
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    That explains it. For years we've been getting these brown marks. We never quite replaced the washing machine, tho' we did think of it. Thanks for the info. Lorac

    C Hewitt
  • 22/05/2006 09:21 PM
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    I have been going a bit mad with these stains that just seem to appear from nowhere and have seemingly ruined several new things which I happened to be wearing while snipping off a few leading shoots. Thank you for confirming my suspicions. Do you have a remedy yet? I have even managed to get it on two duvet covers one of which was brand new. This was while attacking the growth from the bedroom window and unknowingly putting the cuttings on the bed!! If anybody has any suggestions on how to remove these horrible stains (after washing) then please let me know.

  • 11/08/2006 02:53 PM
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    Thanks to your most helpful and informative postings, I have finally solved the mystery of the brown rust-like stains, which have also destroyed so many of my clothes! I just couldn't figure out how skirts, tee shirts etc were going into the washing machine stain-free, and coming out splashed with these permanent brown stains! I even went so far as calling out the 'washing machine man' to see if a coin or rusty nail might be causing the problem, but to no avail. In desperation, I turned to the internet this morning, and was delighted to finally have this mystery solved for me! Thank you very much and well done on getting to the bottom of this problem!

  • 23/08/2006 08:42 PM
    • Hazelnut
    • 23 Aug 2006
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    Now I know what it must feel like to win the lottery. I can't tell you how pleased I am to finally know the reason for those stains. I've gone the washing machine mechanic route and was about to call out the plumber to test the whole system. This problem has bothered me for years - I am really excited to have an answer and you have saved me a fortune. Thank you