Climate change
Last post 13-12-2012 8:24 AM by Pesty. 46 replies.
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20/07/2012 07:09 PM
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- nickrory
- UK south coast
- 20 Jul 2012
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Been an odd summer. Rain rain and more rain, good if your a snail.I was in Dover in last December and saw some people picking Olives is this normal?
Nick
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20/07/2012 08:15 PM
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- courierdude
- cambs/suffolk border
- 14 Feb 2012
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the word climate implies something that is in a constant state of flux. financial climate, political climate... change is a part of any use of the word climate, on its transition from one state to another. global(and universal)temperatures have always been changing and nature adapts and evolves as it has since its conception. this year has been a good time for leaves and trees and shrubby plants-a disaster for fragile flowers. regardless of what data the statisticians manipulate for the specific agenda, it is not the first time i have experienced an extended rainy period during one of our infamous british summers. we move through space to a different place and things might change but i have yet to see any compelling evidence that hasnt come from a campaign group trying to cause awareness through fear for financial gain. if the words climate and change were linked never again we would all just get along fine, still have issue with the weather but maybe live without one more burden that our controllers have impressed upon us. buy a poly tunnel if you seek to be invincible : ) save your concerns until the day you hear of the sahara flooding-and even then i might still believe it was the cause of something entirely natural.
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13/08/2012 06:24 AM
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But courierdude, without anthropogenic global warming, how would the govt. justify fuel tax levels?
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15/09/2012 06:36 PM
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- Ian
- Rochdale
- 14 Sep 2012
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I live in the North West of England, and I have an olive tree, The olives are starting to go black. They are a purple kind of colour but they are very pungent at the moment but you have explained why. I need to harvest them in a few months time. With olive trees they survive unscathed in most winters but when we get deep snow and Arctic temperatures. Apparently they are supposed to die back to Thick branches and send shoots up when spring and summer comes. It was minus 15 c in the winter of 2010 in the North. I only bought my olive tree this year so I am yet to see what a harsh winter will do to it
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15/09/2012 08:25 PM
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- Deb
- Somerset
- 18 Jul 2012
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We are in the South West and had an olive tree for a number of years. We thought it had been killed in the harsh winter a few years ago, but eventually it started to put on some new growth in the centre just before we were due to consign it to the bonfire. Unfortunately, the following winter proved harsher still and more prolonged and finally finished it off. I imagine it would survive the top bit freezing but not if the root ball gets frozen - not sure if protecting it with some fleece or bubble wrap would be any help if we get another harsh winter but if I had another I would keep it in a pot and move it into a cold greenhouse over the winter.
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09/10/2012 10:04 AM
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Climate scientists are using complex modeling to determine if there is anthropogenic climate change. As you rightly say climate data is noisy, very noisy. Which is why they are only about 86% certain (but rising) that there is a trend that isn't part of the natural cycle but caused by human activity, agriculture as well as industry. It isn't just a case of anecdotal evidence from a single location.
Congratulations on your being well over one hundred years old as you must be to have experienced as broadly similar summer.
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20/10/2012 04:00 PM
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Climate "science"? It's no more a science than astrology.
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25/10/2012 11:54 PM
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Come on - be serious. Climatology is a science that is subject to the same rigour as any other science.
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26/10/2012 01:49 PM
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- courierdude
- cambs/suffolk border
- 14 Feb 2012
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depends whether you hear it from real scientists or campaign groups.
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26/10/2012 05:26 PM
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I can call anything an "ology" and give it scientific "credentials". The fact is that all anthropogenic climate change claims are based on the output of models which do not contain all info, and are designed by people who have a vested interest in "climate change".
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26/10/2012 05:29 PM
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With respect, courierdude, even scientists have vested interests. What happens to "climatologists" if the change in the planet's climate turns out to be non-anthropogenic, or as a result of the changing albedo of the planet due to the huge increase in land under agriculture, rather than fossil fuel usage?
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26/10/2012 07:09 PM
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- courierdude
- cambs/suffolk border
- 14 Feb 2012
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i couldnt agree more head of bees. i understand their agenda and egos. its all become so politicised that i cant believe people can take it any more serious than a promise from the PM!
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27/10/2012 10:17 PM
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Yes, climate change is natural but also human activity is having an effect.
Agricultural contribution to greenhouse gases is anthropogenic as much as fossil fuel burning. Methane (a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide) production is massive from two sources - cattle farming and rice/paddy fields, both growing in size all the time to feed us.
There is a huge consensus telling us that man-made climate change is happening, really only a handful deny it and they are much like the creationists who won't accept evolution despite the evidence.
If you had actually worked in science research you would know about rigourous peer review that filters out pretty effectively hypothesis not adequately supported by the data. Don't dismiss something unless you are not qualified to do so.
It really isn't a left-wing conspiracy to bring down capitalism or academics wanting to get their grants renewed. Frankly it is a bit naive to believe it is all just a conspiracy. It isn't a matter of opinion, it is hard data and analysis.
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28/10/2012 12:14 AM
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- courierdude
- cambs/suffolk border
- 14 Feb 2012
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climate change is business. it is an economic model that was orchestrated in the 70's. it is just another way for the ruling elites to cash in on a boogeyman that no one actually believes in. even the met office quietly say that there has been no warming for the last 16 years and a stable climate the proceeding 16 years.. you should be embarrassed to use the term "peer reviewed" as its clearly had its day, come uncovered and no longer means what is was originally supposed to. peer reviewed publications, papers-whatever=very often falsely attributed to scientists without permission, "peer reviewed" by campaign groups(P.R) or just promoted by those who sold their soul for prestige and funding. climae change..or is it global warming(ha!) isnt a leftwing conspiracy, as left and right party politics are essentially working for, funded and controlled by the same globalist interests. to swallow everything that you are told is much more naive than investigating the less popular version of enquiry....but do please believe what you like.
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28/10/2012 09:58 AM
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Climate change is a fact and has been for five billion years - it's normal. Fossil records, ice cores, sediment cores all show how there is a constantly changing climate. There can be no argument as this data exists that we are now in a period of net global warming, although that doesn't necessarily mean the UK gets warmer as the weather systems are more complex than that. Shrinking polar ice-caps, glacier shrinkage and warmer seas are all facts, not opinion.
The only argument is whether human activity is accelerating and/or altering these natural cycles. And the consensus seems to be yes, we are having an effect.
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