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RHS Level 2 exams

Last post 16-07-2012 10:00 PM by rooibosT42. 7 replies.

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  • 09/07/2012 06:21 PM
    • rooibosT42
    • Market Lavington
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    A couple of years ago I thought I'd change careers and as I had already worked in a land-based natural sciences field, had an earth sciences undergrad degree, post-grad land management and part of a masters in environmental management, horticulture seemed a good decision.  I enrolled on a Level 2 course - I'd looked at the level 1 and after talking with people thought that my botany, soils (my 1st and 2nd thesis topic), and general plant knowledge was just about good enough as I've gardened all my life and had a specialist indigenous garden in South Africa, growing and selling plants.

    I sat the first lot of exams in February, and incredibly most of us failed one set, and the national average wasn't much better - over 40% failure rate.  This was incredible, and after all I'd sat 20-25 far longer and higher level exams I was a bit surprised as I'd only ever failed two before and those were off-topic for me anyway.  I'm really an average student, nothing particularly brilliant about me. One of my fellow class-mates this year, an education consultant, very experienced and also a very knowledgeable gardener, also failed - we were even more incredulous!

    After the last set of exams, results unknown yet, one of our invigilators expressed amazement at the time-frame for these papers - they'd overseen hundreds of papers yet never seen other subject students sit down and write from start to finish.  Most students had time to read the paper over, think, write, think, draw, think, write, and then go back over to check things.  And that got us all thinking about it.  There IS no time to think about the answers for more than a few seconds so if one can't remember a name or word immediately it has to be ignored and move on.  This is standard practice anyway, not to spend a lot of time on any one question or too long thinking, but there IS time to think usually.  I've never written a paper I didn't have time to go over and make corrections or final additions, but then those papers were not just regurgitation of 'facts' to a pre-set methodology but had to show some thought and ability to synthesise answers around issues such as Environmental Feminism (really!).

     Also, some of the answers are subjective: Lobelia erinus is a half-hardy apparently, not frost hardy; year after year here in Kent my Lobelia erinus go through the winter, under the snow.  Admittedly protected by the lea of the house and they sometimes get frosted and die back a bit but someone in the depths of glorious Yorkshire would probably not be so lucky.  So, under the time pressure I would forget that it's actually half-hardy and list it as hardy and therefore I obviously display "poor plant knowledge" (RHS Examiners Comments sheets).  Perhaps it's just poor memory under the pressure of time.

    We'd also like to know if there's an age or gender skew in the result percentages - if us older people with homes, children & grandchildren, working lives, lots of experience, a very wide scope of responsibilities and little spare time (not in my case so no excuses!), show any better or worse results?  Has anyone done any stats on these or other issues, such as across the different modules?

    I remember one exam set where we weren't allowed to write anything for the first 5 or 10 minutes but just read through the questions, possibly the Open University but I'm not sure after all this time. 

    Is it all down to memory?  I know that if I weren't quite as pressed for time I'd be able to regurgitate more specifics!  Even an extra 5 minutes.

     So, hands up all these geniuses who write these exams and to whom the examiners are giving full marks!!  I would really like to know your secrets! [:'(]

  • 09/07/2012 06:54 PM
    • courierdude
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    i would add that all exams and academic learning is down to memory! i just sat my level 2 exams and whether i pass or not, i breezed through them. you either know the answers or not. regarding your lobelia situation i would add that i have nicotiana plants that are getting on for 3 years old now and i have a few other 'annuals' that have survived the winter and continue to thrive. i accept that they are a perennial really but in our temperate climate they would have to be classed as annuals because in the majority of cases im sure they really live as an annual and die after the season has finished. -you ask also if there is some variable factor as to which age and gender the participant is when really it seems that you are saying that there is some unfairness because others have more time to study than yourself(?). it is down to memory, or your store and recall ability. exactly the same as if you were studying to be a doctor or a lawyer. perhaps.

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  • 09/07/2012 10:01 PM
    • Blackstart
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    Surely, the object of an exam is to measure if candidates can provide fully considered answers to the questions set and allowing them the opportunity to show the extent of their knowledge of particular subjects. The RHS level 2 exams do not do this; they are a test to see how quickly candidates can write answers under time related pressure that does not allow for any serious thought processes to occur. I was involved (not as a candidate) in the first of the 'new' level 2 exams held Feb 2011. The outcry from candidates was so loud and the feedback so negative that the RHS (whilst disagreeing with all the comments) extended the time allowed for the next set of exams in June 2011 (by 10 minutes each I believe). Therefore, I congratulate anyone who has passed these exams and sympathise with the many candidates who scored nearly enough marks but not enough for a pass. A little more time and consideration would have seen the pass rate increased (those who achieved low scores just didn't have the knowledge). The RHS compounded this by releasing the results after the final date to apply for re-sits. I also believe that the rating of the qualifications at level 2 is incorrect, 2.5 would be more like it. I have worked on a lot of qualifications, not just horticulture and they do not compare with others rated at level 2 at all. So what is the object of the RHS level 2 qualifications? As valuable qualifications achieved by knowledgeable candidates given time to consider their answers = FAIL As qualifications designed to ensure only a few (elite) candidates are successful = PASS

  • 10/07/2012 12:13 AM
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    Hello my friend and neighbour.

     

    I live in walking distance from you.  Eltham is my home.

    I duly respect you along with your qualifications, so please, I beg of you.  Please do not take offence at my response. Illustration/Senario.  I am handed a questionaire, relating to Horticultural Qualifications etc.  Question One. Would you as an employer, prefer an academically acclaimed applicant fo the post of head gardener.

    2.  Would you prfer the applicant to be.  A hands on individual.  One having much practical experience. or. A member of the higher educated fraternity.  If I was engaged in the commercial world of publishing etc.  I would choose tha academic.  If, as I once was.  A responsible person in public employment, seeking a suitable employee.  I would put practice over and above theory.  I have been in the situation of choosing.  I have experienced individuals from various scholls and colleges etc, out on 'work experience'.  I don't blame them as individuals.  I blame the system.  Having worked on the parks dept. of the LCC and later the GLC.  We had individuals come along for, work experience.  Nice, great lads and lasses.  Tell them them to get a draw hoe, or a pair od edging shears.  So, So often have I felt so sorry for them.  My dear friend.  Well done.  However at the end of the day.  Regardless of all the letters after your name.  If I was looking for a gardener. I would pick the person who has. split fingernails, half a ton of soil and dirt under his fingernails.  OK. He can't spell rhododendron.  However.  He probably knows much more about the Genus than the classroom students.

    My humble summing up.

    For those wishing to gain prominence etc with strings of letters after their name.  Well done.  Congtinue with you academic studies etc.  Truthfully. I admire you.

    For the humble gardener.  Poorly paid etc.  So often considered the lowest of the low.  Look around you.  Thankfully.  Television can come to our aid.  All those beautiful gardens that have existed for decades.  Did all the designers and workers have letters after their names.  NO.  But they did have dierty finger nails.

  • 10/07/2012 09:10 AM
    • miranda
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    Sorry to hear that you've had a bad experience with the exams! I've heard that the RHS is known for a surprisingly large failure rate in the exams, compared to other examining bodies.

    From what I recall when I took the level 2, the average age for course members was supposed to have been 44. In the group I was in, many were older than me and a few a bit younger. About half the group were retired and the rest were working, including me. There were 16 of us and everyone passed, with three getting distinctions.

    The exams were intense, no doubt about it, and it was a rush to put down everything, but we had also been told that the RHS don't want prose, they want knowledge. I took that to heart and when time got short I made lists, rather than writing full sentences, and this was acceptable. On the short questions paper, my revision had included old-fashioned rote learning, so I could reel off all the defintions without having to think about them. So, I think a lot of it is down to memory, but isn't that what exams are about?

  • 16/07/2012 09:27 PM
    • rooibosT42
    • Market Lavington
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     Hi, thanks for your response.  It all depends on what one wants to do in the longer term doesn't it.  I've done the split fingernails, half a ton of soil under fingernails and clothes that won't come clean!  I can't be a gardener, at the level I'd like to, as I get older (I'm not far off pensionable age!) but I've taught geography and a few other subjects to adults and would like to teach, or examine, or all, in horticulture.  I do know lots, but have lots more to learn.  I'm useless at getting my brain to work under pressure, but I also right now, last 10 months, do have extenuating circumstances.  

    I'm also looking for people to take over some of my 'clients' and people who call themselves 'gardeners'  are actually just people who can operate a mower, wield a strimmer and dig holes.  Any more, such as why they'd change the height of the mower cut, and when, or how deep or wide to dig and what do do with the bottom/sides, is another thing.  I need people who can prune and know what a water shoot is, and how to deal with it, how to spur and tip prune, know the difference between a weed and a flower (I grow some common weeds along the edge of my pond, intentionally so I don't consider them weeds).And isn't afraid to say they don't know,  and how to use a plant encyclopaedia or refer to someone else when they aren't sure (such as this forum!).

    Best wishes

  • 16/07/2012 09:51 PM
    • rooibosT42
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     That's very interesting, that you all passed the exams.  It makes me wonder about the importance of the trainer's teaching experience.  You'd think that as the syllabus is quite explicit, we should all be receiving the same information, in the same way.  I suppose it's like any subject really, partly the teacher and partly the students.  I wondered about age because people who don't have families and not juggling caring for children, parents, partners, animals, houses etc may have less to manage on a day-to-day basis.  I have lots of friends, for whom their life is easier because they live in their parents' home or their children have grown up and they're now great-grandparents, living a relaxed, gentle life - lucky people!   Some of my fellow students had very little gardening experience yet got excellent results - good understanding of the subject, excellent recall, and not fazed by exams!  They've got their lives ahead, mine's more than half-way through!

    Memory certainly plays a role, or rather recall does.  No matter how long the exam is, there will be a point when any more time is not going to make any difference.  Surely the point of the RHS exams is to test people's knowledge, mainly what they've been learning, not their ability to work under pressure.  Gardening's one of the least pressurised environments I've ever worked in, one reason why I love it!  Perhaps that's it, I was just too laid back after years in Africa and gardening!!

  • 16/07/2012 10:00 PM
    • rooibosT42
    • Market Lavington
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    Blackstart, Thanks for your comments, re the exams. I do feel much better now.  One thing we discovered after our early failures was that people who applied for a re-mark got different results - they were raised.  Wish I'd done that, I might have just scraped through! Having worked with examination boards at degree and masters level I know that there is double checking of random samples of students by external examiners, to check that the marking is uniform as well as fair; usually marks are agreed with!