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One For The Container Gardeners.....

Last post 11-07-2012 3:14 PM by @courtyardgarden. 3 replies.

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  • 07/07/2012 06:19 PM
    • SteveW
    • Bridlington
    • 07 Jul 2012
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    Hi All.

     Have just reluctantly made the decision to hand in my allotment keys and to grow what I can in my small victorian back yard, (25' x 6' North Facing).

    It was avery hard thing to do but having to be realistic I knew that having a busy job, living on my own and only having weekends to give any time to a full plot was too much when you have to fit in your domestic chores too.

    There is a posibility that I will be able to grow more in containers than on the plot, as I seemed to spend all my time keeping the weeds down and growing nothing.

    What I would like to know is.... Are there any other container only veg gardeners on the forum that I could touch base with on occasions and do any said gardeners have any preferred compost, soil, sand, grit, mixes that work for them. I'm getting together some large containers, troughs etc and was wondering what was the best mix to provide drainage and water retention, (sounds a contradiction of terms I know but you'll know what I mean). Do you use things like vermiculite or water retaining gel and the like.

    Any info apreciated. Regards, Steve

  • 07/07/2012 07:33 PM
    • madmuncher
    • Nottinghamshire
    • 20 Mar 2010
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    Although I do have allotment, I do grow lot of crops in containers too...potatoes, beans, herbs, salads, roots, etc, etc.

    As for preffered 'recipes'..well, it all comes down to what I'm aiming to grow. The principals for container growing is not that different to the growing in ground..it is just in smaller scale and you might have to take improvement different qualities to more extreme than in ground.

    As what to use for improvements...grit is good for adding drainage..but again, some plant prefer something lighter and less 'lumpy' around their roots so then I would use perlite..or even vermiculate. But having a allotment allows me to have room for storing all manner of different materials.

    You will go far with just few 'incredients'...multipurpose compost, top soil, grit and some basic fertilizers..and yes..you can use water retaining gel too, adjusting the amount of each thing for what you are trying to achieve.

    Large terracotta pots are good to line with old compost bags to keep soil moist...I find that growing in terracotta pots soil dry out much quicker than in plastic or metal containers.

    Aim to use some amount of topsoil in your mixes as compost on its own will shrink away container edges and once the surface dry out it will make a crust that will have be broken down or the water will just run off without penetrating any deeper and the roots are still left dry.

    Salad crops and radishes are ideal 'after crops' as they don't need much nutrients, spent compost is ideal for them.

    One incredient that I would not be without is Jonn Innes base fertilizer..I use it to 'return' the feed into spent compost..growing become very expensive hobby if compost is discarded after each year. Same compost/soil can be use time and time again when it is just refreshed with bit of 'fresh' compost and added base mix.

    Other two 'regulars' in my stach is blood, fish and bone meal (BFB) and chicken pellets.

    If you have access to grass clippings and straw..those come handy too..they are great as mulches or bulking up large containers when it is not necessary to fill it all with soil/compost. Lot of quick salad crops don't need deep soil and for those I may fill 1/3 of deep container first with straw or even broken down polystyrene tray pieces..saves a lot of work and compost.

    Potatoes that need deep containers and lot of root room..it will take huge amount of 'bedding' to accommodate even few plants..so when I grow potatoes in buckets, I use spent compost alternating with thin layersgrass clippings every few inches and sprinkling some BFB meal and chicken pellets in between layers...building the 'soil' level up as the plants grow.

    Carrots prefer more soil based mixture with added sand..unless you grow stumpy type,, those are not fussy as they don't tend to fork..again..just bit of BFB mixed in for nutrients and they should do fine.

    Runnerbeans...pile up anything and everything and they will use up all the nutrients and moisture for their lush growth. I would not mix anything fresh like grass clippings but use those as mulch..half composted plant material is ideal at the bottom of the container as it will hold on to moisture.

    You might be bit challenged with veg growing on north facing garden...but, untill you've tried you won't know what veg will succeed in your garden's growing conditions. Good luck with your 'venture'.

    I do have lot of container growing ideas..but it would help to know more of what crops you are planning to grow to keep amount of typing down..Wink 

  • 11/07/2012 03:11 PM
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    Hello!  I am just starting out, so not much advice to offer but would be glad to swap experiences.

     My only veg growing space is a side return, which is not all that sunny (gets about 5 hours direct sunlight in summer) but is very sheltered and warm (the sun gets bounced between a South facing white wall and a north facing pale green fence).

    My herbs are in individual pots, but I'm growing fruit and veg in a single wooden container which is 1m50 long by 50cm wide by 50cm deep.  I've filled the bottom with rubble (bits of old brick and mortar that I dug out of other beds in the garden), and then filled it with a mixture of old soil from the previous people's containers and new peat-free compost (about 50/50, all mixed up) and some fertiliser (Growmore) and perlite.  This was not what I found on instructions anywhere, but it seems to be working OK so far.

    Being my first year I have totally overstuffed it.  It contains: two strawberry plants (one early, which we've already had a few fruit from, and one mid-season, which still has some way to go!), three tomato plants (Gardeners delight grown from seed, happy but only just setting their first trusses), two garlic plants grown from proper horticultural cloves that my Uncle gave me (planted very late, but looking OK), 4 mange tout plants (just harvested - delicious - but need more!), and some lettuce (very boring, I need to get a better variety).  I also originally planted some spinach but it got leaf miner and I ended up giving up on it. 

    I'm pretty happy, and it looks really nice - but I'm sure it would be more sensible to just choose 2 or 3 things to grow in a container this size!

     Have you seen Vertical Veg (http://www.verticalveg.co.uk/)?  It is a fantastic website/blog on growing fruit and veg in small spaces with lots of really interesting ideas and practical tips.

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  • 11/07/2012 03:14 PM
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    Oh, and spring onions (still looking very tiny, but I have high hopes!)

     I did say I had overstuffed it ... Big Smile

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