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Dwarf Fruit Trees - Opinions really needed please

Last post 30-10-2012 4:45 PM by OrangePippin. 19 replies.

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  • 02/07/2012 07:12 PM
    • treetops
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    Hello, I am quite new to growing fruit trees but I purchased a dwarf apple tree 18 months ago to keep in a large container. It has been doing well so I decided to expand and bought five different dwarf fruit trees in April. In order left to right in pic

    Stella Compact Cherry
    Gala Apple
    Plum
    Golden Delicious Apple
    Pear
    (Far Right my original Apple Tree)



    They arrived roughly 5ft tall, bare rooted and VERY severely cut back. I was surprised and disappointed by how severely; I mean they had no side branches at all! They were basically just sticks and one (the cherry tree) had been chopped off at the top as well. Never the less I soaked the roots as advised and planted them in large containers with a mixture of top soil and John Inns No.3 (also as advised). I also used Root Grow (“friendly mycorrhizal fungi”). I should point out at this stage that the dwarf apple tree I purchased a couple of years ago; I followed exactly the same procedure and it is doing splendidly (it was not from the same company and nowhere near as cut back when it arrived).

    By the end of May my original tree was looking luscious as growing well but there was absolutely no life from my new trees. The company said it may take them longer to “wake up” because they had been in cold storage. At last, over the last few weeks there has been some life but I am very concerned:

    The Cherry tree: has shoots but only at the very bottom (just above the root graft) only a small part of the tree has any green shoots – about a foot or so above the graft has shoots but absolutely nothing else any further up the 5ft tree.

    The Gala Apple: Has shoots to the side where short stumps of branches had been left and a top shoot, this looks fine to me.

    All three of the other trees (Golden delicious, plum and pear) all have green shoots growing but all from the small area above the soil BELOW the graft point! It is like the grafted tree is dead and it is trying to start again below it Crying or Very sad

    I have come to the conclusion that these trees are lost (except the Gala Apple) but what I really want to know is who is at fault here? Did I do something wrong? Or could they have been a dead loss when they arrived to me? I thought I did everything right and to be fair they are alive at the roots as they are all trying to grow something – just not continuing to grow as they should! I am very disappointed and the company has been no help at all and quite rude. Although I am quite new to this I have successfully kept my original apple tree healthy and producing fruit so I find it unfair of them to blame it on me assuming I killed them all not knowing what I was doing!

    I would be extremely grateful of any opinions and advice. My farther (an avid gardener) is encouraging me to argue my corner with the company. He believes they were no good when they sent them to me. What are your opinions? Please help! Many many thanks.

    P.S. I can add some closer up photos of each tree if this helps. I will go out and take some more photos soon
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  • 02/07/2012 09:32 PM
    • sue1002
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     I think the same as your father does miss.twizz, the only one of those new ones that looks like it could perform well is the second one in from the left hand side.  Any shoots that are growing under the graft will be from the rootstock and will not be the variety of fruit you are expecting.

    As a matter of interest, will you be planning on moving those pots at all or leaving them where they are?  It's just that while they do look lovely, I had some wooden ones very similar to yours and they actually rotted and fell apart after about three year's use although they probably might have lasted longer if I hadn't moved them about when they were full.

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  • 03/07/2012 12:10 AM
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    Hi.

    As I have mentioned before, in other posts.  I am not fruit grower.  However.  My idea of a 'dwarf fruit tree'.  Dwarf, ideal for a small area, easy to manage etc.  What you have tends to dash my thoughts.  Top growth will give you some problems.  Ideally, if you can get these monsters to produce side growth and then fruit, then that will be something.  Personally, I picture a dwarf fruit tree as being on the lines of a standard rose tree.

    However.  I gather from your post.  One way or another.  You were/are disappointed regarding the sad way the trees had been cut back, and in general.  You were far from happy.

    Why on earth did you not send the things back, with a strong letter of complaint.  Probably there is something in the conditions of sale, relating to failures etc and YOUR absolute satisfaction.  Make use of your rights.

    Mike.

  • 03/07/2012 07:00 AM
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    If these trees were supplied as 1-year bare-root trees then they should have been cut-back to around 1m after you planted them.  If you don't do this (and it looks like you didn't) then it is difficult for the tree to establish, particularly in a pot. Even so I think you have been very unlucky here.

    The Stella cherry might survive, if, as you say, the growth is from above the graft union.  If so then I would cut out everything above, leaving just the healthy shoots.  If you post a close-up I can advise further.

    The Gala apple tree might also survive, but I would suggest cutting it back early next spring.

    The ones that are "alive at the roots" are probably dead, but the rootstock has survived and is trying to grow - unfortunately that is of little help to you.

    You see cutting the trees back as a bad thing, but if I had my way nearly all 1-year bare-root trees would be cut back to 1m at the nursery before delivery - precisely to avoid the situation you see in these photos.

    Out of interest, which way does this fence face?  Also, do you know what rootstocks these trees are grafted on (which would answer Mike Allen's comment about whether they are really dwarf trees or not).

    It is difficult to say who is to blame, but it is unlikely that all 5 trees were dead or dying on arrival from the nursery. If you told the nursery what you intended to do with the trees perhaps they should have given more advice on how to plant and prune them.  Having said that, I am surprised you have had such bad luck ... but the Gala and the Stella may well survive and eventually become nice trees.

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  • 06/07/2012 08:35 AM
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    I had a tree delivered from Thompson & Morgan  (cherry sunburst) which didn't survive, and, to be fair to them, they immediately offered a replacement or refund.

    I'd suggest that, rather than a nasty letter, just get on the 'phone to the company who supplied your trees, tell them your problem(s), and allow them the chance to sort things convivially first.

    They'll want your custom in the future.

  • 06/07/2012 02:41 PM
    • Kateh
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    I agree, it's worth just contacting them in a positive way to ask for a replacement, and hopefully they will resolve the matter amicably :) I wonder where you bought them from too? I ask because I'm based in Lancashire, where it's pretty wet, and I've found when I buy things from companies that are based further south the results are a bit mixed, to say the least (I wonder if they just can't cope with our Lancashire weather)! The worst experience I had was buying a number of willow whips, which turned out to have a fungal infection that spread through the rest of my garden like wildfire. I can't prove that's where it came from, but I know it did :( That's the problem with buying plants online I suppose, it's all too easy for them to blame your horticultural skills/local weather, etc. I agree that it looks as if there was a problem present before you purchased them.

  • 06/07/2012 03:14 PM
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    The location of the nursery relative to the customer is largely irrelevant for most parts of the UK, because our climate is not so different from one area to another (compared to, for example, the different areas of the USA) and the environment in which trees are raised in a nursery is quite artificial in many ways. I suppose there might be an argument for buying trees from a more north-western nursery than your own location (since the north-west of the UK is the most difficult climate for most fruit trees), but I would not make it a deciding factor.

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  • 06/07/2012 03:58 PM
    • loulou
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    I agree that the North-west is the most difficult, I lived there for many years and it's *so* wet. Now I live in south-east Scotland, it's a warmer, less wet climate, even though I'm further north!) and I've never had problems, even with plants bought from southern England.

  • 22/10/2012 04:01 PM
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     Hi Sue1002,I have been fighting with this company since the original post and have only just made some progress! The pots were given to me and while they do look pretty I'm aware they probably won't last many years! I have been advised to move them up to bigger potsafter a couple of years anyway. Assuming this is correct advice they should last until I invest in largerand better quality pots :-)

  • 22/10/2012 04:04 PM
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    Anonymous: there was a 14 day return policy which I tried to make use of when these spindly sick looking twigs were first delivered but the company is IMPOSSIBLE to get hold of. They never answer phone calls and there online "ticket" system never seems to be working. I have found reviews on this company since saying they have exactly the same issues.  I WISH I had seen the reviews first :-(

  • 22/10/2012 04:16 PM
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    OrangePippin: Thank you for your reply. I have at last made some progress with this company and they say they will replace the trees. I wonder therefore if you have any advice that could give the replacements a better chance?

    I wouldn't have been so dissappointed with the trees if they had been cut down shorter, it was just that all the side growth had been compleatly removed as well so the "trees" resembled 4/5ft twigs.  My original apple tree had side branches when it was purchased. Is it normal for them to have removed all side growth?

     

    The fence faces south, it is the area of garden that gets the most sun.  I have an email from the company answering the rootstock question but am having difficulty finding it now! I will add this info when I have located my missing email :-)

     The nursery specifically claimed these trees were ideal for containers and advised on planting, pot size and compost/soil mixture and so on.  They never mentioned cutting them down to 1 metre though.  I would have happilly done this if I had known.

     

    Thank you very much for your advice

  • 22/10/2012 04:21 PM
    • treetops
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    In reply to those suggesting polite queries with the company: I did try but this proved very difficult.  The company appear to have deliberately made it very hard to contact them! They ignore emails, the phone line never seems to get answered and their online "ticket" system always seems to be having technical difficulties.  I have since found many many reviews for this company also complaining about how hard it is to get hold of them. I really WISH I had seen these before :-(


    I am looking to get some bedding plants and am going to do much more research and look for recommendations of good nurseries this time!

  • 22/10/2012 04:23 PM
    • courierdude
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    so did you buy these plants off the internet?

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  • 22/10/2012 04:29 PM
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    A south-facing wall is an excellent situation for fruit trees. I also think you should take whatever advice the supplier offers (since they know their trees whereas I don't). Maybe you can post some photos when they arrrive? I would be interested to hear what rootstocks are being used.

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  • 22/10/2012 04:31 PM
    • treetops
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     Yes courierdude, and I have read your opinions on online nurseries on another thread :-) my original apple tree came from an online nursery and I am delighted with it.  We have a really rather small family car and as we can't really fit these sort of trees into it safely the best option seemed to be online.