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Last post 19-04-2012 3:10 PM by spade monkey. 20 replies.

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  • 03/06/2011 01:27 AM
    • Honeybee
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    Hi all, I am taking the second set of level 2 exams at the end of the month, but the course provider I am currently with don't do level 3. Although I'm not too bothered because I wasn't happy with them anyway. But I am wanting any advice on any course providers who provide level 3 through distance learning who have good notes! This seems to be a tall order, when it should be a given. You pay lots of money for a course...they are suppose to provide you with the information you need, but they don't. Went through hell and high water for level 2 and don't want a repeat of the same thing for level 3. Thanks! (off to do more studying...)

  • 03/06/2011 08:06 AM
    • kandeakay
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    Good morning - I have been delighted with Pershore College's distance learning - on line with lots of feedback. I will be using them again for my final Diploma module. Hope this helps!

  • 10/06/2011 11:45 PM
    • Honeybee
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    Thanks, I'll look into their course. All the best with your diploma.

  • 08/09/2011 04:21 PM
    • ukhostland
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     The Garden Design Academy offers the full range of RHS qualification courses by distance learning up to Master of Horticulture

    Colin Elliott
    Web: www.gardendesignacademy.com
    Blog: http://gardendesigncompany.wordpress.com
  • 10/09/2011 09:26 AM
    • Hortaddict
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    Gosh, what a lot of distance providers and online learning experts.  I'm part of a group of ex- horticultural college tutors about to go online with our own RHS distance learning courses, after setting up the ones for Warwickshire (Pershore). Can I make some general observations on distance learning and the RHs courses, trying not to make it a specific advertisement? 

    Many providers are absolutely excellent, with long experience of providing  distance learning and student support in horticulture and other fields, and now that you can communicate easily with other students on other courses via forums like this and Facebook groups, you shouldn't feel isolated.  Online and distance learning is growing because colleges have to charge so much for the courses that numbers drop, the courses aren't viable and don't run... so everyone loses.

    The main thing to consider  when you choose a course is whether you want to gain an RHS qualification, or to take a horticultural course.  The new QCF qualifications are still settling into place, and the way in which questions are asked, and exactly what students need to learn to answer the exams, is still becoming clear. I was involved in the group writing the new syllabus, and some exam questions, and I still find it hard to be sure because different horticulturists will interpret the scope of the learning outcomes in slightly different ways. 

    If you are aiming to take the qualifications, be aware of the RHS's published syllabus throughout your studies.  Not every college, let alone every provider, has quite caught up with some of the changes for the new unit-based form. Principles of Horticulture is an excellent background textbook, but until the sixth edition comes out in October it hasn't been tailored to the new syllabus; the fifth edition is offering information that covers a wide field including the 'old' Diploma topics of ecology and genetics... When the new edition comes out it should be even more useful. ( NB I'm not involved in it - disinterested advice here.) 

    You need to be clear as you study that you will have to answer questions on EVERY OUTCOME in the syllabus, without choices. And there are two units in Plant Growth where those outcomes will cover science. In the old format of qualifications, if you messed these questions up but were an absolute whizz at plant health or something else, it balanced out and you passed. 'Failing' a part of the exams and needing to retake that part is now going to be more common because the RHS have broken the syllabus down into separate units.

    It's much fairer because you only have to retake one small part of the qualification and keep the achievements in the rest, but 'fail' is a hard word to accept nowadays, when exams are less common than coursework. People who take the RHS qualifications are strongly motivated and can be hit hard by the idea that they've 'failed' in something, but it only means you need to try that part again. I've  got  a student putting in for a resit in February because she has one unit  that just missed pass with commendation, bringing her down to pass overall...

    If you aren't specifically wanting to study and take  the exams for an  RHS qualification, there are a lot of providers offering the some of the Australian Correspondence School's excellent 100 - hour courses, which cover the RHS syllabus in a broader sweep, and other courses that go into much greater detail on the design side of horticulture, herbs, viticulture, organics  - whatever interests you.  It very much depends on whether you want specifically to end up with RHS Qualifications or just a good general horticultural education... 

    Sorry to go on at such length but with the exam results coming through at the moment, and lots of new people looking at courses, I hope this will be helpful. 

    We are going to take our provision in the direction of 'blended learning', as well as supported online learning: this should allow us to support distance learners through the practical certificates as well, and then let them take their assessments on a relatively small number of 'assessment days' over the year at our training centre. It's scheduled to start in early 2012 because it takes time to go through all the centre assessment procedures to be accepted by the RHS for practical training! Watch out for us...

    J
  • 10/09/2011 11:18 AM
    • ukhostland
    • central France
    • 17 Dec 2008
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    Oh dear! Hortaddict starts off "trying not to make a specific advertisement" and concludes by inaccurately portraying an established horticultural college and advertising his own new venture.

    There are indeed a number of learning providers offering courses leading to RHS qualifications, as listed on the RHS web site, but I am disappointed to see you refering to the Australian Correspondence School ( ACS) and implying they do not offer appropriate courses.

    While I do not work for them and cannot represent them, I have been associated with this institution for several years and they have a great record of students passing RHS qualifications. They work closely with RHS staff to ensure that their courses are up to date and no-one should doubt that they are a very serious provider of horticultural education.

    They and their affiliates (including the Garden Design Academy, which offers 80 courses in a wide range of horticultural subjects, both residential and by distance learning) provide courses for the new examinations at Level II, Level III and Master of Horticulture. In addition they provide a large number of 100 hour "short" courses, popular with both amateurs and professionals. The RHS Level III course is offered in two parts, each of 15 lessons and around 200 hours of study. Assignments and the support of a personal tutor are an important aspect of the training provided.

    The Master of Horticulture course is a serious undertaking which can be expected to take 3 years to complete. A highly regarded degree in horticulture from the Royal Horticultural Society, holders of the award may use the designation MHort (RHS) after their name.

    I wish you every success with your new company and trust that "bashing the opposition" will not be a major feature of your marketing campaign.

    Colin Elliott

    www.gardendesignacademy.com

    Colin Elliott
    Web: www.gardendesignacademy.com
    Blog: http://gardendesigncompany.wordpress.com
  • 10/09/2011 01:14 PM
    • Hortaddict
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     I certainly didn't mean to imply that ACS courses aren't worthwhile - John Mason has been a pioneer in online education now for many years and I'm sorry if you took my comments as a reflection on ACS affiliates. I'm sure you offer loads of tutorial support,  and all the other things you've mentioned in your post. 

    I know ACS offer courses that lead to current QCF RHS qualifications; but they also cover the same areas looking more widely at the horticultural topics involved. 

    I was hoping to help current and prospective students see that in using any distance courses, they need to decide what they are aiming for - and if they want to take RHS exams, they have to apply the information they are given to the RHS's specific requirements, which are laid out most clearly in the syllabus that the RHS provides on its website.

     Just at the moment, the level 3 results are coming out, and people who have succeeded at level 2 on both old and new syllabuses are thinking about whether to carry on. I think we undervalue the achievement of those people who've done well in the new exams, particularly at level 3,  if we don't stress that they are difficult:  some very able people who have studied hard may be shocked by not having succeeded in everything they entered.  RHS qualifications have value because of their rigour, and retaking part of a certificate is going to be quite common with the new structure...

    Horticulture can be fascinating, life-changing, and all the other things we realise when we begin to study it, but for many people a course covering the RHS syllabus area  and giving them  broad horticultural knowledge may be more enjoyable than courses like ours which are strongly focussed on the exams. It depends on what an individual student wants to achieve, and the more help we can give students in understanding realistically what's involved in studying these qualifications, the better.

    I'm sorry if you got a different message from my post.

    J
  • 10/09/2011 02:37 PM
    • ukhostland
    • central France
    • 17 Dec 2008
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     I am sure potential students are already turning off when faced with two so-called professionals engaged in such a childish spat but I cannot allow you to get away with this latest reply either.

    Certainly I am taking a risk by putting my head above the parapet to dispute with someone who clearly has an axe to grind, but hides his marketing under the cloak of "assisting current and prospective students". You did not highlight my company in the way you singled out ACS (the British company ACS Distance Education Limited is based in Stourbridge, by the way) but you continue to suggest that they are not focused on RHS exmination results and imply they are less serious than the company you are creating.

    ACS courses for the RHS examinations are aimed at the specific requirements set out by the Royal Horticultural Society and they have been successfully assisting students from around the world to pass these examinatiuons for many, many years. The same cannot perhaps be said of every distance learning college but you made a serious error by picking on one of the better establishments working in this area. As you say, John Mason, has a formidible reputation in this field and I have alerted him to your post on this site.

    We at the Garden Design Academy offer the same courses in our own particular way and consider them to be some of the best available. Other courses have a different emphasis but RHS courses concentrate on the information needed to pass the RHS exams as set out by the RHS, while at the same time being both stimulating and enjoyable.  We have students from USA, South America, China and all over Europe (including the UK) studying for these exams, including some who took them at levels II and III this summer.These are serious examinations and we do not hide this fact.

    There is perhaps room in this market place for yet another distance learning college, such as you are putting together, to offer RHS courses as ACS have been doing for decades. For me, the diffusion of knowledge in an industry where this is lacking, inspiring young professionals to do better and transmitting a love for the garden industry to all who would like to be involved in it, is paramount. The politics of education and scoring points over competitors interests me not at all. Let's end this conversation right here and get back to work.

    Colin Elliott
    Web: www.gardendesignacademy.com
    Blog: http://gardendesigncompany.wordpress.com
  • 10/09/2011 03:27 PM
    • Hortaddict
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     I had no intention of disputing with anyone, so I can only apologise as I have obviously offended you both.  

    J
  • 12/09/2011 09:04 AM
    • kandeakay
    • west sussex
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    ....I would have thought it quite hard to advertise an enterprise which hasn't actually started yet. I have to leap to Hortaddict's defence and feel he/she was giving a balanced view of the RHS examination learning options - anyone who has taken an RHS exam will know that their questions can be a little hard to decipher and - speaking for myself - I am more than happy to have the constant support on line from one who knows through and through the sometimes convoluted ways the RHS uses to winkle out the information it desires from the examinee....! As previously stated - I have worked my way through the Cert to Dip (1 module to go!) - and of all the study aids I have used the Pershore online system was the best by far.

  • 12/09/2011 09:47 AM
    • ukhostland
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    Hi Kandeakay,

    I am delighted you are enjoying your course with Pershore: I was a student there for three years in the seventies and have nothing but warm feelings for that establishment.

    I picked up Hortaddict on a single point out of several he was making: that he highlighted ACS as not offering courses appropriate  to serious students of RHS examinations and this is quite simply not the case. They do, and they have an examplary record in this area.

    I was shocked to read the comments about this respected trainer and I dont think you would find either the RHS or Pershore misrepresenting ACS in the way that Hortaddict did. He makes it plain he is starting his own business and I can assure everyone I will not be commenting on his company in a public forum; that would be wrong, unprofessional and could risk legal action.

    In many other ways his posting was helpful, I  thought.

    Colin Elliott
    Web: www.gardendesignacademy.com
    Blog: http://gardendesigncompany.wordpress.com
  • 13/09/2011 01:17 AM
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    Hello forum members,
    We would like to comment on the above thread, since it mentions ACS Distance Education: ACS has been affiliated with Pershore / Warwickshire College for the best part of 6 years, and we have nothing but the highest regard for this establishment. Thank you Hortaddict for acknowledging the quality of ACS courses across horticulture. We also thank Colin for acknowledging the high number of students we have prepared (and are continuing to prepare) successfully for the RHS exams over the years.
    From our perspective, it is great to see such passion in this exciting industry! :)

    All the best from ACS Distance Education Staff.

  • 21/09/2011 11:18 PM
    • Anthony
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    ACS it is then. I've been struggling with deciding which provider to choose for the new RHS Level 3 courses. Having previously studied RHS level 2 with another (won't name) provider I've been digging deep to find an establishment that is serious about their students. ACS ( from my research) have great reviews all round. I have also studied a BSc with the Open University so I'm fully in tune with the dedication required to be successful at distant learning. Success begins with the right materials and support. I would urge potential students to dig a little deeper into their pockets if they can. As in many cases in life saving a few quid isn't always the best policy. I apologize if I'm gone a little off topic.

    Anthony
  • 22/09/2011 09:45 AM
    • ukhostland
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     Good luck with your studies Antony.

    We have a number of students following the ACS course with us, both the RHS Level 3 Certificate in the Principles of Plant Growth, Health and Applied Propagation and RHS Level 3 Certificate in the Principles of Garden Planning, Construction and Plantin;

    They are stimulating courses: I'm enjoying it as much as they are, I think!

    Colin

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    Web: www.gardendesignacademy.com
    Blog: http://gardendesigncompany.wordpress.com
  • 18/04/2012 02:06 PM
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    Sorry to resurrect such an old thread but I'm researching this very subject and would appreciate any feedback if the original protagonists are still around.

    ukhostland:
     I am sure potential students are already turning off when faced with two so-called professionals engaged in such a childish spat but I cannot allow you to get away with this latest reply either.
     

    I enjoyed it - a bit like what I've heard about 'Game of Thrones' but without all the blood, sex and betrayal (on the other hand, I guess plant propagation might cover some of that).

    Still, back to the subject - I am researching options for online study of RHS level 3 and have looked at these pages so far:

    ACS

    GDA

    LearningCurve

    Warwickshire College


    I have abit of experience in course production so one of the first things that struck me is this:

    Make sure you know what they mean by online learning and elearning - they are not the same. For example, on the Learning Curve page it said:

    “Online Study Option Now Available - This course is also available online. Our online courses are delivered as pdfs direct to your email inbox. Our online courses are exactly the same as the postal version, but include a range of supporting study material instead of textbooks."

    Which suggests an electronic form of a book plus the other unspecified 'supporting learning material' - What kind of supporting materials?

     

    On the Garden Design Academy home page site it says:

    "A proven solution: GDA is partnered with the ACS Learning Network, a world leader in online and distance learning."

    ...and when I looked at the course descriptions and specifications for ACS and GDA it was hard to differentiate them on first glance.

     

    I am awaiting a reply from Warwickshire College (Pershore)  because on their page it was not clear what kind of learning resources they were offering.

     

    Also awaiting a reply from ACS re some of their elearning resources and questions like 'Are your tutors based in the UK?. Interested in where the tutors are based mainly because we're in the UK ourselves.

     

    Have yet to email GDA but thought they might still be tracking this thread.

     

    That leaves Hortaddict (from above) - does anyone know what happened to the project mentioned and whether it got off the ground ("I'm part of a group of ex- horticultural college tutors about to go online with our own RHS distance learning courses")?

     

    I started putting together the course offerings in a table so I could compare them - ongoing but sometimes the marketing blurb gets in the way of the actual information.

     

    If anyone is looking for the RHS spec:

    From what I understand, here is what they should be covering:

    RHS Level 3 Certificate in the Principles of Plant Growth, Health and Applied Propagation - Qualification Specification .