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Fragrant climbing rose - or is it??

Last post 22-07-2009 1:25 AM by philip99a. 8 replies.

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  • 05/07/2009 03:19 PM
    • philip99a
    • Leicester (city centre)
    • 10 Jun 2009
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    I planted a New Dawn climbing rose about 5 weeks ago. Its feet are in shade and it is growing up towards sunshine, supported by wooden trellis on a brick wall. It's growing vigorously and has produced its first couple of blooms. They look great, but the plant label describes this variety as "fragrant". However these first two blooms have absolutely no scent at all! Is this because they are still growing in shade and will develop scent once the plant has reached the full sun or could there be another more troubling reason? Will it all come good?

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  • 05/07/2009 03:31 PM
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    • miranda
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    Don't know why your rose doesn't seem to be scented, Philip, but several years ago, me and my dad were admiring the scent of a rose but my stepmother said she couldn't smell anything. She has a good sense of smell too. I've come across other instances of this, where some people can smell something and others can't but have no idea why or how it works.

  • 05/07/2009 03:55 PM
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    • Phot's-Moll
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     I had a New Dawn rose in my last garden and it had almost no scent, so I think it's a case of an optimistic label. They do look nice though - how about growing sweet peas up it next year to give you some perfume?

    If you can, it would be worth going round a few gardens, such as Wisley, and sniffing some roses to see which have the best scent.

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  • 06/07/2009 09:22 AM
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    • philip99a
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    I'll sue them if it's got no scent!! :-) Main reason for buying and planting it :-( The sweet-pea idea does have attractions but they would be in shade. And don't scented plants depend on direct sun, eg lavender and herbs to develop their scent? Seriously, I planted it carefully with lots of rich compost in the planting hole, regular water, bought from an excellent nursery which always has strong, healthy plants (at a price!) etc and it's growing like a rocket! Giving me great day-on-day pleasure. And isn't that what gardening's about?

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  • 07/07/2009 06:44 AM
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    • Foxnfirefly
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    Sun and heat do improve lavender's scent, but some roses seem to droop and buckle under heat waves and fade out quckly.  I grow some roses and their scents vary from day to day.  More rainy days means less fragrance.  I have some roses that are billed "mild" or "slight to no fragrance" and I either can smell a hint or nothing at all.  Then, the really fragrant ones like Don Juan and Hansa will smell wonderful and fuse the air some days, but other days you will have to walk up and put your nose in.  New Dawn is not known for its fragrance.  It is cherished for its vigor and masses of busy blooms.

     

     
  • 10/07/2009 03:47 PM
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    • bigsusan55
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    I think that there must be several different clones going around by the name of New Dawn.  We had one for about 25 years and it was beautifully scented.  Not strong though.

    Susan B

  • 21/07/2009 08:47 AM
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    • philip99a
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    Oh dear. Bright yellow patches have appeared on the lower leaves. Rose rust? I'll remove the affected leaves carefully and start spraying. Grrrr. A flower that was about to open has in fact now browned and died.

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  • 21/07/2009 07:33 PM
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    • Phot's-Moll
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     If you don't know what's wrong, how are you going to decide what to spray it with? Using the wrong chemical is likely to do more harm than good as well as being a waste of money.

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  • 22/07/2009 01:25 AM
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    • philip99a
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    I looked online and this RHS web page http://www.rhs.org.uk/Advice/profiles0600/rose_rust.asp seemed to describe the problem pretty well and calls it rose rust. Spraying; "Suitable chemicals include mancozeb (Dithane), penconazole (Scotts Fungus Clear) and myclobutanil (e.g. Systhane Fungus Fighter or Roseclear 3, which also contains an insecticide)" So I guess those are the ones I'll try.

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